As someone who is left leaning I completely agree with you, it's clear that the values of one America are not the same as another. I would rather everyone get to express themselves and their values without constantly pulling the tug of war every four years, causing misery on the other side. Our states should get a divorce, peacefully and with cooperation of trade between the countries.
I feel like a better idea at least in the short term would be '10th Amendment maximalism' and nullification.
Basically, Red States refuse to recognise the authority of the federal government except for what is explicitly authorised as being federal affairs in the constitution. If the Supreme Court rules in favour of the federal government, these Red States would say the constitution does not authorise the court to have that power.
Have the National Guards beefed up so the federal government doesn't think it's worth a civil war and the Red States can get concessions.
I agree that red state resistance of fedgov is a very worthy project to work on, but I believe that fedgov will escalate until secession (or capitulation) is necessary.
State Guards are more valuable to a state than National Guards because fedgov has no claim on them.
If the majority of what are now Red States couldn't secede from the Union in 1860, when the US was a weaker nation than Britain, and the seceding nations had a far stronger alternative identity and weaker attachment to the Union, what makes you think it will be able to secede from the world's biggest military and economic superpower with nuclear weapons, and when identification and integration with the United States is far stronger?
Thank you for asking. I am confident that you will see my point of view if you peruse these:
As for identifying with the US, we don't need to convince the US. We just need to help Texas voters, who already want independence, convince their state legislators. If Texas goes, conservatives won't be able to win elections anymore, so the rest of the red states will have to follow Texas out of the Union.
Your "Factions of the Rightosphere" divides groups by the proposed solutions (eg dividing Christian ceasarists from parallelists), but I don't see secessionists listed, which is a proposed solution. I acknowledge that it's not a philosophy.
This is a big group. The Texas Nationalist Movement has 600k registered supporters, although only some are right-wing. And again, 50% of Louisianans and 60% of Texans support secession.
What's to stop the same thing happening to Red America but the can kicked 20 or so years down the road?
America wasn't always like this, successive generations had to be gradually indoctrinated into it. Remember, as late as 2004 the US overwhelmingly opposed gay marriage, let alone transgenderism.
Red America does not control cultural capital. Even if in a fantastical scenario it was to become independent, California would still control Hollywood and Silicon Valley, and those Red majorities would just be whittled away.
Best thing to me is to abolish democracy and have a reactionary authoritarian regime deeply committed to 'reverse-indoctrinating' the country away from Wokeism and towards traditional American values.
Red-state secession is not an panacea or utopia. It is an improvement. It creates a polity where any solution you have, including the one you mentioned, is more likely to happen.
Many people share your concerns, which is why a federation of red states, or at least some states within the federation, are likely to use state power to wrest control over media from seditious Leftists.
Red-state secession has an easy, realistic path to happening that we can work on now. What possible path is there, using what your movement has now, to achieving your plan?
A JD Vance presidency, Project 2025 personnel lists, armed militias, and the President declaring himself the 'personal embodiment of the Living Constitution' and when the court rules against him he will say 'the Chief Justice has made his ruling, now let's see him enforce it.'
The truth is that, even after lustrating all the institutions of influence, authoritarian regimes need the earnest, heartfelt loyalty of a significant chunk of the populace (say 25%), so that they can impose their will on the other 75%.
I commissioned a top-rated pollster to poll 7 states to look for such willingness to support ceasarism, and found almost none. When asked "How would you react if, in the future, powerful conservative members of the military or a conservative president announced that they were in the process of taking military control of the US, to prevent it from being governed by Democrats?" Only 17% said they would not resist. That combines the people who agree with the coup with those who simply are unable or too cowardly to resist, and those who are apolitical. So the people who would support it are truly a tiny fraction of respondents. https://redstatesecession.org/poll-proves-texas-independence-is-the-only-path-for-american-conservatives/
The numbers are so bad that I don't think Vance could even lustrate the institutions of influence.
As someone who is left leaning I completely agree with you, it's clear that the values of one America are not the same as another. I would rather everyone get to express themselves and their values without constantly pulling the tug of war every four years, causing misery on the other side. Our states should get a divorce, peacefully and with cooperation of trade between the countries.
As always, very insightful commentary my friend. You help re-invigorate my hope after I get attacked for standing for these truths.
thanks!
I feel like a better idea at least in the short term would be '10th Amendment maximalism' and nullification.
Basically, Red States refuse to recognise the authority of the federal government except for what is explicitly authorised as being federal affairs in the constitution. If the Supreme Court rules in favour of the federal government, these Red States would say the constitution does not authorise the court to have that power.
Have the National Guards beefed up so the federal government doesn't think it's worth a civil war and the Red States can get concessions.
I agree that red state resistance of fedgov is a very worthy project to work on, but I believe that fedgov will escalate until secession (or capitulation) is necessary.
State Guards are more valuable to a state than National Guards because fedgov has no claim on them.
If the majority of what are now Red States couldn't secede from the Union in 1860, when the US was a weaker nation than Britain, and the seceding nations had a far stronger alternative identity and weaker attachment to the Union, what makes you think it will be able to secede from the world's biggest military and economic superpower with nuclear weapons, and when identification and integration with the United States is far stronger?
Thank you for asking. I am confident that you will see my point of view if you peruse these:
As for identifying with the US, we don't need to convince the US. We just need to help Texas voters, who already want independence, convince their state legislators. If Texas goes, conservatives won't be able to win elections anymore, so the rest of the red states will have to follow Texas out of the Union.
A top-rated pollster found that Texas regular voters are 66% in favor of Texas independence https://redstatesecession.org/poll-66-of-texas-voters-want-to-secede
As for whether fedgov would attack:
Since 1945, 87% of secessions around the world have been peaceful (out of 134 national secessions). A poll found that only 7% of Americans think fedgov should attack a seceding state. Here's why it won't: https://redstatesecession.org/many-ruling-classes-have-tolerated-a-secession
https://redstatesecession.org/why-the-feds-wont-attack-a-seceding-state/
If what you're saying is true, couldn't 'Red State autonomy' be pursued first?
You won't have to creatively reinterpret any element of the constitution, just follow it exactly how it was written.
Your "Factions of the Rightosphere" divides groups by the proposed solutions (eg dividing Christian ceasarists from parallelists), but I don't see secessionists listed, which is a proposed solution. I acknowledge that it's not a philosophy.
This is a big group. The Texas Nationalist Movement has 600k registered supporters, although only some are right-wing. And again, 50% of Louisianans and 60% of Texans support secession.
The problem is that unilateral attempts at autonomy quickly run into a collision course with fedgov:
1) the state needs to tell businesses and individuals to send taxes and witholding to the state rather than to fedgov
2) federal agents will attempt to fine and imprison officials (and citizens) for ignoring or obstructing feds doing their duties
What's to stop the same thing happening to Red America but the can kicked 20 or so years down the road?
America wasn't always like this, successive generations had to be gradually indoctrinated into it. Remember, as late as 2004 the US overwhelmingly opposed gay marriage, let alone transgenderism.
Red America does not control cultural capital. Even if in a fantastical scenario it was to become independent, California would still control Hollywood and Silicon Valley, and those Red majorities would just be whittled away.
Best thing to me is to abolish democracy and have a reactionary authoritarian regime deeply committed to 'reverse-indoctrinating' the country away from Wokeism and towards traditional American values.
Red-state secession is not an panacea or utopia. It is an improvement. It creates a polity where any solution you have, including the one you mentioned, is more likely to happen.
Many people share your concerns, which is why a federation of red states, or at least some states within the federation, are likely to use state power to wrest control over media from seditious Leftists.
Red-state secession has an easy, realistic path to happening that we can work on now. What possible path is there, using what your movement has now, to achieving your plan?
A JD Vance presidency, Project 2025 personnel lists, armed militias, and the President declaring himself the 'personal embodiment of the Living Constitution' and when the court rules against him he will say 'the Chief Justice has made his ruling, now let's see him enforce it.'
The truth is that, even after lustrating all the institutions of influence, authoritarian regimes need the earnest, heartfelt loyalty of a significant chunk of the populace (say 25%), so that they can impose their will on the other 75%.
I commissioned a top-rated pollster to poll 7 states to look for such willingness to support ceasarism, and found almost none. When asked "How would you react if, in the future, powerful conservative members of the military or a conservative president announced that they were in the process of taking military control of the US, to prevent it from being governed by Democrats?" Only 17% said they would not resist. That combines the people who agree with the coup with those who simply are unable or too cowardly to resist, and those who are apolitical. So the people who would support it are truly a tiny fraction of respondents. https://redstatesecession.org/poll-proves-texas-independence-is-the-only-path-for-american-conservatives/
The numbers are so bad that I don't think Vance could even lustrate the institutions of influence.